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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:06 am 
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Greetings Forum Members and a very Happy New Year to you! I have a question on the provenance of an auction lot. Could anyone please tell me if Lot 1085 in the recent Grosvenor auction (Dec) 1870 Singapore to Edinburgh with Boxed "Insuff ...3d.." Franco-Prussian marking belonged to Graham Nelson? Thank you in advance for your consideration. Could anyone also tell me if they have seen this marking on any other Straits cover. I have checked all the great collections - Wood, Taylor, Selser, Tay, Nunez, Springbett, Buranosambati,Nathan,Chua and others and have not spotted one. I would appreciate any input . Thank you once Again. Regards Tony.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 6:56 pm 
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Hi Tonyg
I tried to download the scan - without success - please load it here if you have the scan available,

What is the significence of your question about the Provenance?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:05 am 
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Hello Susan

I was hoping to preserve the history of ownership of the item - this is important to me. Grosvenor has been slow to respond to my enquires and I thought a board member would know as there was a headline on this website regarding that auction and Graham Nelson. I was also hoping that a board member may have seen another cover with this marking to assist me in understanding the postal history as it would appear a very uncommon marking on Straits material. Unfortunately the Malayan Philatelist appears not to have too much on the postal history fo Straits material in the period of the Franco-Prussian war.

I will try to post a picture of the item and provide my thoughts on the cover for comments.

The envelope from Singapore to Edinburgh franked 32c for the Marseilles route to the UK, D14 Singapore duplex dated NO 3 1870, Edinburgh arrival DEC 13 1870. This cover actually was sent via Brindisi because the Franco-Prussian war had effectively closed the Marseilles route by mid to late Sept 1870. London officially notified colonial PO on Oct 20 of the route and rate change (38c via Brindisi). This cover was posted before the notification of change had arrived in Singapore. When the cover arrived in London the "INSUFF ...DEF 3d" boxed handstamp was applied but the GPO had again changed the rate down to 30c because the P&O had taken over the Alexandria to Brindisi route (previously A&O Italian). This was applicable in London from Dec 10 so in fact the cover was 2c overpaid when it arrived and hence I assume the manuscript deletion of the 3d.

I would appreciate any members input in my synopsis. Thank you very much. Regards Tony


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 1:52 pm 
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Tony,
thanks for loading the picture. Any auction house has to protect their vendors and shouldn't tell you the vendor's name with out his permission. If it had been a named sale the situation would be easy, all material belonging to one vendor, but this was a general sale including Graham Nelson's collection.
I suggest you annotate it as 'ex grosvenor Dec 2009' pending either the Auction house' response or confirmation elsewhere.
I'll email our postage due specialist and suggest that he takes a look at it, more his area than mine.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 9:48 am 
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I was one of the underbidders on lot 1085 in the Grosvenor auction in December and viewed the lot before the auction in London.
The "Insufficiently Paid etc" mark is one of London and is listed as type 1547 in "Surcharged Mail of the British Isles" by James A. Mackay of 1984 which also says "Brindisi rates were accordingly surcharged and (marks) showing the deficiency and the reason for it were supplied to London in 1871." This was following the opening of the Suez Canal in 1869.
I have not seen another example of this mark on mail from Malaya.
The faster route (via Brindisi) was more expensive than the route via Marseilles.
Proud (page 94) states that the rate via Brindisi from 1869 to 1871 was 38 cents. In November/December 1870 the route via Marseilles (and Paris) may have been closed due to the seige of Paris during the Franco-Prussian war.


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