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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:22 am 
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Posted on behalf of Dr.N.H.Gong

"One of the more interesting S. S. postal stationery postcards discussed at the recent MSG meeting in P. J., Malaysia was an item of disinfected mail. This was an 1880 4¢ reddish brown PSPC, used in 1883 to Frauenfeld, Switzerland via Bridisi, cancelled by an undated d/r ‘Singapore P. O.’ with a Frauenfeld arrival alongside and a ‘Singapore Paid’ c.d.s. on the reverse. There is a disinfection slit at the top edge and another one at the bottom edge with an ‘Ambulant’ c.d.s. applied next to the bottom slit.

A fair amount of discussion centred around this laborious attempt to prevent the transmission of exotic tropical diseases, and this naturally led to a number of questions:

(1) Was there a cholera epidemic (or something worse) in Singapore at that time?

(2) Slits were made presumably to facilitate the fumigation or disinfection process but why were they necessary on postcards?

(3) Would anyone have any information on the nature of the fumigant or disinfectant used?

(4) Would anyone have any information on the ‘Ambulant’ postmark?



Any help, particularly from the Disinfected Mail Study Circle, would be most welcome."

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N. H. Gong


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:52 pm 
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A scan of the card is enclosed, courtesy of Dr. Gong
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:18 pm 
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A scan of the reverse of the card is enclosed courtesy of Dr.Gong. This shows the Singapore paid mark and the forwarding agent chop.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:33 pm 
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I asked soemone who knows about disinfected mail and his response is most enlightening:
'The slitting of a Straits postcard of 1883 has nothing to do with disease in Malaya. A very serious epidemic of cholera in EGYPT caused widespread concern and vessels were able to negotiate the Suez Canal only in quarantine from Spring 1883. Italian ports were closed to such ships from July 1883.

This p.c. was posted in Singapore on 21st. May. The direction 'via Brindisi' instructed the Post Office to put it on a P. & O vessel. The likely carrier was the Sutlej, sailing 31st. May, arriving Colombo 7th. June. Her westbound mails were transferred to the Clyde on 10th. June, arriving Suez on the 24th. and Port Said 27th. June. (Timetables from Reg, Kirk's P.& O. Lines to the Far East).

If Reg is correct (and I think he is) this was the day AFTER the Tanjore left Alexandria for Brindisi - the last vessel to be admitted there until December. The next P. & O. ship was the Mongolia, which did not leave Alex. until 7th. July, too late to have carried this card. The Swiss 'Ambulant 41' is dated 30th. June. So the card did get onto the Tanjore somehow : my best guess is that a quick-witted official whipped the bag off at Suez and sent it by rail to Alex. She sailed on 25th. June, arriving 29th. June. From there it travelled to its destination by Italian and Swiss railways.

Swiss Ambulant 40 & 41 was the travelling post office on the line from Chiasso to Basel. We have records of many covers (mostly from Australia) slit and with such a backstamp, leading to a presumption that the Swiss were fumigating suspect mail from the Canal, (as we know for sure the Bavarian government were on the line from Kufstein to Munich). The problem is that the earliest examples seen of Swiss treatment were ex-Mongolia, which was diverted to Venice, arriving 15th. July 1883. (There is also the inconvenient fact that the supposed Swiss treatment was normally made by a 20 mm. chisel, whereas this card seems to have been cut twice with one of 30 mm.)

I think, on balance, that Brindisi slit mail from the Tanjore, for Continental destinations only : Kirk suggests that mail for G.B. was sent from 'Brindisi to Venice under the Italian mail contract', (p. 105, note 1). N.B. This G.B. mail would have been 'bagged', (in a metal trunk in fact), which was not opened for fumigation at Brindisi or Venice. The use of a broad chisel at Brindisi is known a decade earlier.'

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:56 pm 
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I am very glad that a disinfected mail expert has shared some of his extensive knowledge with us. The surprise is that the disinfection slits, being 30 mm long, were probably applied in Brindisi and not by the Swiss. Most enlightening and many thanks for the valued input.

Would anyone else be able to tell us about any disinfected S.S. PSPCs in their possession? There were three disinfected PSPCs, all from Singapore to Germany in 1881 & 1884, offered in the 1989 W. H. Lu sale of S.S. postal stationery.

gongnh


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:13 am 
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I have two SS PSCs with disinfected slits. Both are 3c blue cards and the slits are 20mm long. (1) Singapore (10 Dec 83) to Germany (9 Jan 84) and (2) Singapore (7 Jan 84) to Germany.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:10 pm 
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Hello BSYen,

Could you post a scan of the items?

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